Mormon411: Healing, Life Until Death, and Raises

Sunday, September 27, 2009

Healing, Life Until Death, and Raises

I haven't had much time lately to blog about the church. School and work are keeping me plenty busy.

I recently had an email conversation with a TBM who stated that she could never deny the church because of all the miraculous healings she and her children have experienced.

What?

If her logic is correct, then every religion in the world is true. If your ability to heal and recover is an indication that you belong to the true church, then everyone who heals must belong to the true church. Since Mormons, atheists, Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, and even Satan worshippers all heal, then they all must be true.

Why does god bother to heal her AFTER her surgery, but doesn't seem to notice that she needed a surgery in the first place? If his priesthood is so powerful (and he is obviously willing to heal you because he did) then why did he wait until after your surgery? Why can't he just make the problem go away so that you won't have to go bankrupt trying to pay off your hospital bills? God always seems to step in after the doctor has done his job and take credit for all the healing. My point is, if he could help you recover so well from a surgery, why didn't he just fix the problem in the first place so that you wouldn't need surgery?

If the priesthood is so amazing in its power to heal, then why are there so many sick Mormons? Why do they get sick, recover, or die at the same rate as every other group of people? Why can't the priesthood heal genetic diseases? Why is there a hospital in SLC named "LDS Hospital"?

I had a surgery once and I recovered just fine without a blessing. I was even pain-free after the surgery with no pain killers. That must be proof that atheism is true!

Isn't that amazing!? Either my body can heal itself just fine OR god heals everyone equally, including atheists. Since everyone gets equal treatment from god, then how can that be evidence that your church is true?

Ok, so you had a miraculous recovery. The only way that would impress me would be if it ONLY happened to Mormons. But since people around the world of different religions all experience this, then it simply means that Mormons are not special.

So basing your testimony on such a fragile foundation is not only stupid, but also dangerous.

While we're on the topic of 'faulty logic' why don't we discuss another aspect that really gets me. Mormons believe that they live until their "job" on earth is done.

For example: Hugh Nibley believed that since he was still alive, his mission to defend the church was not finished.

For as smart of a man as they say Hugh Nibley was, that sounds like the belief of a raging idiot! Hitler survived several assination attempts. I guess god must have wanted him to stay alive until he had conquered the whole world! God must be a Nazi! But somehow Hitler lost the war. So was it god intervening or was it just a natural course of events just playing out?

My point is that god doesn't keep anyone alive. What if I had a time machine and went back in time to kill Hugh Nibley when he was just a kid? Could I blast him full of holes with a machine gun but he would just walk away unharmed because god knew that someday he would grow up to be a professional excuse maker for the church?

If you are going to use logic, then use logic. Don't take a stroke of good luck as a sign that your church is true. If you look around, you will see that good and bad things happen to everyone, regardless of their religion. Good luck, to a Mormon, means the church is true. Bad luck, to a Mormon, means they are being tested. Either way, the church is true. That is some extremely faulty logic.

The same is true of tithing. You can always open the Ensign and read a story about someone who paid their tithing and then got a raise at work or something like that. That would impress me IF it only happened to Mormons who paid their tithing. But since people around the world get raises all the time, then it simply shows that paying tithing, by itself, is not the reason a person got a raise.

Mormons think they are so special. They are favored by god with healings, life until they die, and raises. And they are so caught up in their arrogance, they fail to see that everyone in the world gets exactly the same thing. No one is favored.

So get off your temple-shaped soap boxes.

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New Rule: Churches don't get to offer their commentary on political matters until they start paying taxes!
"...reading the Bible is what has made me an Atheist." ~ The Citizen Atheist
Faith is just gullibility. ~ The Atheist Experience
Don't teach creationism in my school and I won't preach evolution in your church!
In your fiction book, your fiction god did a fiction miracle and that's all the proof you need!
"It's called FAITH because it is not KNOWLEDGE" ~ Christopher Hitchens
"...faith, by definition, is believing in things without evidence and, personally, I don't do that because I'm not an idiot." ~Kate Smurthwaite
"If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people." ~House
"Developing a critical mind and having your own view of the world takes education, reflection and time. Having faith is much easier. People prefer to be deceived." ~Michael Shermer
"It's hard to free fools from the chains they revere." ~ Voltaire
"Just because you don't understand something, it doesn't mean it's wrong." Arthur, Sword in the Stone
A diety who remains silent and invisible should not be angry or surprised when its existance is doubted.
Intelligent Design: Because it's so much easier to just invent an answer.
99% of people who DENY evolution can't even DEFINE it!
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The Bible was written by the same people who said the earth was flat.
When you don't see the truth, it's easy to accept the illusion.
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There once was a time when all people believed in God and the church ruled. This time was called the Dark Ages.
"Does religion work? It brings some of us solace, impels some to do good (and others to fly planes into buildings), and buttresses the same moral truths embraced by atheists, but does it help us better understand our world or our universe? Hardly." ~ USA Today
Mormonism is enforced religion.
"What's so merciful about a god who punishes Adam and Eve and all of their descendants over a stupid piece of fruit?" ~ Khalid Thalib
"If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed" ~ Albert Einstein
Isn't it ironic that both you and your god hate the same things?
"Santa Claus never asked for 10% and I still got everything I wanted. And I wasn't good all the time either. I paid the Mormon church 10% and got zip." ~ Let Go
"For god was such a cowardly chicken shit, that he had to send someone else to do the hard stuff." Mormon411
"The good thing about Atheists is they wont knock on your door and they wont blow you up!" ~ Bumper Sticker
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." ~ Stephen Roberts
"You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards, witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, food falling from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical, absurd and primitive stories, and you say that we are the ones that need help?" ~ Dan Barker, Losing Faith in Faith
"Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet." ~ Napoleon Bonaparte
"Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned." ~ Unknown
"To the simple mind everything can be explained with one three letter word." ~ Michael Pain
"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." ~John Adams, 2nd President of the United States
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"I have a hard time with historians, because historians idolize the truth." ~ Boyd K. Packer
"...if God told us to brush our teeth with mud I would do it." ~ Anon TBM
Some of you are probably thinking, "Why don't you just leave them (the Mormons) alone?" So I ask you, if you saw a thirsty man drinking water from a well you knew to be poisoned, would you let him continue to drink or would you guide him to a safe well? ~ Christopher Miller
"Just as you can always tell sea water because it tastes salty, you can always recognize enlightenment because it tastes like freedom." ~ The Buddah
"What have I got to lose? My family? No. They are already gone. They were gone as soon as I was gone from their "family oriented" church." ~ ex-Mormon
"He (Joseph Smith) may get drunk every day of his life, sleep with his neighbor's wife every night, run horses and gamble... but the doctrine he has produced will save you and me and the whole world." ~ Will Jarvis
"My most painful Mormon experience was learning that having faith in something does not necessarily make it true." ~ Anon
"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction." ~Richard Dawkins
"If a faith will not bear to be investigated; if its preachers and professors are afraid to have it examined, their foundation must be very weak." ~George Albert Smith
Prayer: How to do nothing and still think you're helping.
"Being an atheist means you've been able to see through the social pressure, black balling, guilt trips, propaganda, threats against your eternal soul, etc. and be a rational person in an otherwise irrational age. We think that's something to be proud of." ~The Arrogant Atheist
"Every member a missionary? Every member a revenue generator" ~Brian, ex-Mormon
"I love god. He's so deliciously evil!" ~Stewie Griffin
"We met in a little place called the MTC... If you don't know what the MTC is, then you're not cool." ~April Fenn, LDS church member
"This is our most devastating problem... retention." ~Sister "Nana" Barker, LDS Missionary
"Each of us has to face the matter—either the Church is true, or it is a fraud. There is no middle ground. It is the Church and kingdom of God, or it is nothing." ~Gordon B. Hinckley
What's the difference between a teenager and a Mormon? Eventually the teenager will realize that he doesn't know everything.
"How we treat others is a measure of what we think of ourselves" ~Sharon Bower
Atheists have morals too.
If complexity necessitates a creator, wouldn't our creator also need a creator?
Santa Clause is to children as Jesus Christ is to adults.
"If you are truly searching for the truth, then you must be prepared to admit that you don't already have it." ~Myself as a former LDS missionary
"It's impossible to reach good conclusions with bad information...We're all entitled to our own opinions, but none of us can afford to be wrong in our facts." ~Mort Crim
"...it's not a lie if you believe it." ~George Castanza