Is There An Afterlife?

I'm not going to sit here and say yes there is or no there isn't. I will say that I hope there is! I would love to live forever and continue to learn and grow.

We have all heard stories of people having near death experiences where they claim to have visited other places and seen great things. I have no doubt that they believe they really did. But was it an actual out of body experience, or was it just their mind playing tricks? How come some of these people can retell events that they saw while they were dead, events that really did happen in other rooms and other places?

I think I mentioned a few posts ago that I was once in contact with an ex-mo who claimed to have an out of body experience. This person completely abhors Mormonism and Christianity and yet strongly believes in an afterlife.

Why get my hopes up? What lies beyond this life is a great mystery. Each person eventually discovers the answer, but unfortunately is unable to share it since they are dead. As a Mormon, I actually thought that I would never die. There are rumors going around in the church that some people have their patriarchial blessings promise them that they will be alive when Christ comes. I really believed that I would be alive when Christ comes and would therefore be "twinkled" into an immortal. Talk about wishful thinking. But I really did believe it. Of course, I had to come to terms with the fact that no one can escape death. It sucks, but it's a fact of life.

The way I see it, it will be fine either way. If I die and there is an afterlife, then great. I'll still be alive. If I die and that is the end, or my soul ceases to exist, then that's okay too since I won't exist anymore I won't have anything to worry about.

Then of course is the question, if there is an afterlife, what will it be like and who will be there? Will there be some type of god? Will there be a judgement? If so, what will my reward or punishment be? Since I don't believe in sin, what will that judgement, if any, be based upon?

I'm not holding my breath. I'll just find out what lies beyond when I go there. If by some odd reason, I've made a serious mess of my life and there really is a Mormon god, then I'll deal with it when I get to it. But that Mormon god will have some serious questions to answer. Afterall, god, who is supposedly without sin, has murdered people according to the Bible, so if he tries to pull a holier-than-thou on me, he'll get it right back in his face! I'm more righteous than god since I have never killed anyone. So fuck you, god. You hypocritical bastard! You're going to damn me to hell when you've killed people and impregnated a woman outside of marriage? I've never done any of those things so FUCK YOU! FUCK YOU! FUCK YOU!

When I get to the afterlife, I'm going to kick god's ass!

Just another evil apostate...

Is The Gospel Really Necessary For Your Life?

It has been at least two years since I have taken the sacrament, worn my holy underwear, blessed my food, prayed for safety, fasted, received a blessing, or even attended church.

Nope, haven't done any of those things for a long time. But guess what? I'm just fine! I haven't died of food poisoning, haven't gotten killed in a car wreck. In fact, I walked out of a car wreck last year without a scratch and I wasn't even wearing my garments! If a TBM gets in a car wreck and walks out, they think they are so protected. Then why does it happen to everyone? TBM's die in car wrecks too, so why didn't god protect them that time? Then they think that it was their time to go and god took them. What they don't realize is that it's just life happening. If they didn't die, god was protecting them. If they did die, then god wanted it to happen. TBM's turn every day life into some type of drama where god is pulling all the strings. It's just life!

I haven't eaten the body of Christ for a long time. Actually, now that I think about it, that is a very gross ordinance. We eat a chunk of Jesus' flesh to renew our commitment. Then we do the same by drinking his blood. That sounds extremely cultish, does it not?

Haven't blessed my food. When I am eating with Mormons and they want to bless the food, I will sit quietly while they do so. But I don't say amen. Just imagine, I don't bless my food and yet it still gives me health and strength! I haven't died of food poisoning either!

No blessings for inspiration and yet my schooling and work continues to progress and improve.

No fasting. I never did like that. It was awful and miserable.

I have completely abandoned all those Mormon requirements and yet for some strange, unexplainable reason, my life still goes on just like before. No accidents, no food poisoning, no stupor of thought (If having the spirit abandon you is so bad, why am I pulling straight A's in school?)

I got out of the Mormon routine and kicked Jesus out of my life and guess what?!?! My life has seriously never been better!

Mormonism is supposed to make you happy, but it makes you miserable.

Jesus is supposed to lighten your burden, but the church dumps heaps of rules, demands, and expectations on you.

The spirit is supposed to enlighten you, but all it does is take away your ability to think.

God is supposed to be my all-loving father, so how come he hides in heaven and never talks to me?

No, the Mormon gospel is not necessary. In fact, it creates stress by demanding 1001 different things of you. Therefore, stress. If you do not accomplish all 1001 things, guilt. Therefore, more stress. Mormonism provides stress, whether you conform or not. The only way to escape it, is to escape it. Get the hell out! I did, and that is why my life has only gotten better.

So, TBM's who feel the need to convince me to come back, don't waste your time. If you can dispute what I write, then great. But your sincere testimony is going to accomplish nothing. Your testimony is bullshit since you don't even know the history of your own church. They only reason you "know" it's true is because you've been brainwashed with it your whole life.

I have had a few TBM commenters now and not one of you have actually addressed any of my claims. All you do is call me a hypocrite and then tell me that god still loves me. If you don't have anything intelligent to say, then don't even bother. If you can actually dispute me, then by all means, you're more than welcome.

On the other hand, if you're TBM and just getting sick and tired of all the Mormon demands, then let me show you that there is another path. If you're having doubts and then feeling guilty for having doubts, let me help you. You're having doubts because your BRAIN is starting to work a little bit. Afterall, god gave you that brain didn't he? It's time for you to start using it.

Mormonism is a cult and it's gospel is completely unnecessary. Free yourself from bondage. I did, and life is wonderful.

Just another evil apostate...

TBM Cry Babies

I've been browsing around a few different anti-Mormon blogs. It's interesting to read TBM's and their responses to us apostates.

1) First, they almost always accuse us of falling away because we wanted to sin.

2) Then they wonder why we won't leave the church alone.

3) Then they call us liars and ask for facts and proof to back up our claims. When we provide it, they brush it off and explain it away.

1) There have been very few TBM's who DON'T come in with their holier-than-thou guns blazing! Every anti-Mormon is an evil apostate who has literally been possessed with an evil spirit. This happened because they masturbate, look at porn, drink, smoke, stopped going to church, stopped praying, etc.

Even though we explain it again and again, TBM's just don't understand that we apostates are still very good people who just happen to no longer believe in the LDS religion. Since we blog our new opinions about it, we are directly working for Satan to tear down the true kingdom of the true god.

2) They wonder again and again, why don't we leave the church and then leave the church alone? They think it is perfectly alright for them to blog and promote their pro-Mormon propaganda whenever and wherever they want. But only they have the right to say their opinions.

They wonder why we "won't leave the church alone". And yet they send out thousands of missionaries all over the world in an attempt to convert EVERYONE. Anti-Mormons don't go door to door. At worst, we publish our views, but we never force or manipulate anyone to read it! But they do! They knock on your door and attempt to manipulate you right from square one!

And then they have the nerve to wonder why we are working sooo hard to tear down the work of the lord. I have news for TBM's. Catholics believe their church is true, so when you go around promoting your pro-Mormon bullshit, they see you as tearing down their faith and religion. But they don't come up to you, whining that you are working for satan.

When a group of people has the "ultimate truth" they also have the ultimate intolerance. Mormons display this perfectly. They have no tolerance for anyone who does not believe as they do and ESPECIALLY for those who actively work against them. So just get over it, you Mormon cry babies! Your god has decreed that the work will never stop, so you might as well just forget about all us puny anti's who will end up being roasted in gods frying pan!

3) My blog, along with many others, is packed full of real sources and quotes that shed serious light on the LDS religion. But TBM's come proudly marching in, claiming that all our evidence has been disproven and debunked again and again and again. Yet, this easily disproven evidence continues to come to light and convince many people to leave the church.

They call our quotes and sources lies made up by the devil to deceive man. If they do find that our sources are correct, they rationalize and explain everything away. Here is one brief example. I will expound on it some other time.

The Book of Abraham was supposedly written by Abraham upon papyrus and translated by Joseph Smith many thousands of years later. Unfortunately, the original papyrus that Joseph had was lost and presumed gone forever. However, it turned up in 1967 and analyses and translations showed that Joseph Smith got it all wrong. The papyrus itself dates to 2,000 years after the time of Abraham. The correct translation has nothing to do with Abraham whatsoever. Bottom line, Joseph Smith made it all up while pretending to translate from a random scroll that he happened to come across.

Mormons defend this outright proof of the lies of Joseph Smith by making several outrageous claims. A common one is that "the entire collection of scrolls was not found. Some are still missing." This is true. However, to quote Mormon missionaries all over the world, "Do you need to eat the whole cake to know that it tastes good?" They use this logic when trying to convince people that the Book of Mormon is true. The idea is that you read a little bit and then pray about it. You can get the witness even if you haven't read the entire book. So, likewise, you don't need the entire collection of scrolls in order to know that The Book of Abraham is a complete fraud.

Their second argument is that since Joseph Smith translated by the gift and power of god, that the deeper meaning of the scrolls came out and that secular knowledge of Egyptian hyieroglyphics completely misses the real message. In other words, the scrolls were encoded and only Joseph Smith could desipher it. Come on! Isn't that putting just too much effort into defending your pathetic religion? If that was the case, why was the church so anxious to have them analyzed in the first place? They were sure it would prove their religion, but as soon as negative reports started coming in, they put the bag on the whole thing.

Now, you only hear about the damning scrolls from an ex-Mormon or anti-Mormon. Mormons don't talk about it because 1) they simply don't know about it, or 2) they know there really is no satisfactory explanation that ends up with them on top.

As someone I know always says, "If you need an excuse, any excuse will do." If you need a rationalization, any rationalization will do.

How about putting together the clues and letting the evidence determine the truth, not the other way around? My point in explaining all of this is that even though we present REAL facts and evidence to heavily support our views, the LDS shrug it off if it in any way discredits them. Oh, if there is any evidence, no matter how small, they jump all over it and get little hard-ons about how true it all is!

So TBM's scream and cry for evidence but when it is presented to them, they shrug it off and call us liars.

Just remember everyone, THE CHURCH IS TRUE NO MATTER WHAT!!!!!

Just another evil apostate...

Changing Mormon Stories # 3

Changing Mormon Stories is a special edition of this blog where we will examine a current LDS teaching, scripture, or doctrine, and then we will compare it with the original teaching, scripture, or doctrine. According to the Mormon church, if any church changes it's beliefs over time, then it has apostatized. Let's point the finger of blame right back at them!

Today's Changing Mormon Story involves the First Vision which, according to President Hinckley, the validity of the entire church depends upon. Either is it totally true, or it is totally false.

Let's look at the current LDS views of the First Vision...

"I saw a pillar of light exactly over my head, above the brightness of the sun, which descended gradually until it fell upon me. It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!" (Joseph Smith History 1:16-17, Pearl of Great Price)

The LDS today believe that Joseph Smith was literally visited by God and Jesus Christ personally. If it can be shown that this event really did not occur, then the church is in serious trouble. Ironcially, the First Vision was a concept entirely unknown to the early church members. As you will see in a moment, even very prominent church members and leaders had no idea that Joseph Smith had claimed to see god. At most, they believed he had seen an angel. Check out these damning quotes that come DIRECTLY from approved church sources:

"The Lord did not come with the armies of heaven ... but He did send his angel to this same obscure person, Joseph Smith jun., who afterwards became a Prophet, Seer, and Revelator, and informed him that he should not join any of the religious sects of the day, for they were all wrong..." Brigham Young - Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 171 (1855)

"The same organization and Gospel that Christ died for ... is again established in this generation. How did it come? By the ministering of an holy angel from God, out of heaven, who held converse with man, and revealed unto him the darkness that enveloped the world ... He told him the Gospel was not among men, and that there was not a true organization of His kingdom in the world" Wilford Woodruff - Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 196 (1855)

"Some one may say, 'If this work of the last days be true, why did not the Saviour come himself to communicate this intelligence to the world?' Because to the angels was committed the power of reaping the earth, and it was committed to none else." Orson Hyde - Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p. 335 (1854)

"...he [Joseph Smith] went humbly before the Lord and inquired of Him, and the Lord answered his prayer, and revealed to Joseph, by the ministration of angels , the true condition of the religious world. When the holy angel appeared , Joseph inquired which of all these denominations was right and which he should join, and was told they were all wrong" George A. Smith - Journal of Discourses, vol. 12, p. 334 (1863)

"[Joseph] was enlightened by the vision of an holy angel. When this personage appeared to him, one of the first inquiries was 'Which of the denominations of Christians in the vicinity was right?' " George A. Smith - Journal of Discourses, vol. 13, p. 78 (1869)

"None of them was right, just as it was when the Prophet Joseph asked the angel which of the sects was right that he might join it. The answer was that none of them are right." John Taylor - Journal of Discourses, vol. 20, p. 167 (1879)

"But suppose that the statement that Joseph Smith says the angel made to him should be true-that there was no church upon the face of the earth whom God recognized as His, and whose acts He acknowledged-suppose this were true..." George Q. Cannon - Journal of Discourses, vol. 24, pg. 135 (1889)

"He accordingly went out into the woods and falling upon his knees called for a long time upon the Lord for wisdom and knowledge. While engaged in prayer a light appeared in the heavens, and descended until it rested upon the trees where he was. It appeared like fire. But to his great astonishment, did not burn the trees. An angel then appeared to him and conversed with him upon many things. He told him that none of the sects were right..." William Smith On Mormonism , By William Smith, Joseph Smith's brother. pg. 5 (1883)

"The angel again forbade Joseph to join any of these churches, and he promised that the true and everlasting Gospel should be revealed to him at some future time. Joseph continues: 'Many other things did he (the angel) say unto me which I cannot write at this time' " Church Historical Record, Vol. 7, January, 1888 (It should be noted here that in this quote the first reference to "the angel" was later changed to "the Holy Being" and the second reference to "the angel" was changed to "the Christ")

"...I received the first visitation of Angels when I was about 14 years old..." Joseph Smith, Nov. 1835 - Personal writings of Joseph Smith, pg. 84 (It should be noted that this entry has been changed in the History of the Church, Vol. 2, pg. 312. It now reads "my first vision" instead of "visitation of Angels")

"Do we believe that the Lord sent his messengers to Joseph Smith, and commanded him to refrain from joining any Christian church, and to refrain from the wickedness he saw in the churches, and finally delivered to him a message informing him that the Lord was about to establish his kingdom on the earth..." Brigham Young - Journal of Discourses, Vol. 18, pg. 239

Isn't it odd that over 40 years after Joseph's alleged "first vision", Church leaders like Brigham Young, John Taylor, Wilford Woodruff, George A. Smith, George Q. Cannon, and William Smith were all unaware of Joseph Smith's claim of seeing God the Father and Jesus Christ?

The bottom line is that the First Vision, as the LDS believe it today, never took place. And the most amazing thing is that the proof is sitting right there, right in plain view for anyone to see. If you want to read a testimony buster, then read the Journals of Discourses, which are available at the Main Public Library in downtown Salt Lake City.

Enjoy your freedom from the LDS lies!

Just another evil apostate...

How About A Mission Story

I went on a mission and had an interesting experience. Although I believed in the church and in missionary work, girls always were my weakness. Not to say that I went around having a ton of girlfriends or anything, but I did get in my fair share of good flirting.

In my very last area when I was just weeks from going home, I went to some activity at the church house. It's been a long time ago now so I don't remember all the details, but I ended up on the stage with 3 or 4 girls and they were putting makeup on me! It was an understatement that their parents weren't too happy about it as was my companion. But I didn't care. It was fun and I enjoyed my hero status as a missionary.

Keep in mind that in the Mormon culture, a returned missionary is hot stuff. Mormon girls are brainwashed that only an RM can make them happy (a lie of course). But if you are an RM, it's good to be you! All the girls want you!

It's just too bad that as a Mormon RM studmuffin, you are not allowed to exercise your manliness until you've taken your bride to the temple. Really, what is the point of being such a cool guy if you aren't even allowed to "take a woman"? In fact, you're not even allowed to think about it. So a Mormon RM is about the horniest and most sexually frustrated organism on the planet! He knows he's a stud, but can't do anything about it.

Shit, I turned down some damn fine women just for the sake of being "righteous". Shit, shit, shit! Of course, I am kicking myself now! But I did get in some good flirting, which, if you are a missionary, might as well be adultry.

Just another evil apostate...

The Skeptics Society

I subscribe to a free e-mail news letter provided by the Skeptics Society. The news letter arrives once a week and it has several articles which are always very interesting. Anyone who wants to receive the news letter, please send an e-mail to skepticssociety@skeptic.com The "president" of the Skeptics Society is Michael Shermer, who I was honored to have listened to at a local debate.

Shermer is a former Christian and is now a hardcore athiest. He has written several books which are probably available at your local library. Some of these books include, Why Darwin Matters, The Science of Good and Evil, & Why People Believe Wierd Things.

Visit http://www.skeptic.com/ and you can also listen to their podcast, Skepticality. They also have several links to cool YouTube videos, many of which explain what might appear to be supernatural.

There is nothing wrong with being a skeptic, as I surely am.

Just another evil apostate...

Am I Really A Former Mormon?

It is true that I once believed in the LDS faith. I was baptized, served a mission, married in the temple, fulfilled callings, yada, yada, yada. However, once I began to look inside myself I realized that I no longer believed it.

However, the only reason I was Mormon or even Christian in the first place is because I was born into it. I really didn't have a choice during my childhood as to what to believe. Now that I am an adult and am free to make my own choices, I choose to believe something else. That is why I am debating whether or not to call myself an ex-Mormon. Was I ever really a Mormon?

As far as my new belief system, I struggled for a while to form one. Then after a while I realized that there is no need for a belief system. Just because I happen to believe in something doesn't make it true. I believe there is one universal truth that applies to everyone. I'll write a different post on that sometime.

So I finally realized that I need to quit wasting my time believing in nonsense that has no proof whatsoever. I have no religious beliefs now, other than the belief in treating people the way I would want to be treated. But that is not really a religious belief because even most athiests believe that. I am not athiest, agnostic, or religious. I simply believe in being alive. I believe in understanding the world around us. I believe in self improvement. I believe in letting people believe whatever they want to believe.

I sincerely hope there is an afterlife where I can see loved ones again. But I'm not holding my breath. I figured that whether there is an afterlife or not, it will be all good. Here's why. If there is an afterlife, then great! I'll still be alive and will hopefully get to be with people I love. If I die and it is the end, or my soul ceases to exist, then I don't have anything to worry about anyway.

I was once in contact with a hardcore ex-Mormon (outright despise the church and strongly disbelieve in Christianity) who not only still believed in an afterlife, but had claimed to have had a near death experience. I've never had one, so I don't know.

Wow, I really got off the subject, didn't I?

I am planning to do some research on what people say about near death experiences, both those who have had them and also if science can provide an explanation.

I also want to do some research to see if there is any correlation between religious people and cancer rates. Wouldn't that be interesting to see?

I would also like to find out the origins of marriage. Religion, and therefore our society in general, claims marriage is essential. But I disagree. Animals don't get married. People can still pro-create without getting married. I fail to see where it is so essential. In fact, I believe it produces depression and anxiety.

Ok, now I've revealed all of my evil plans for world domination. Contributions welcome!

Just another evil apostate...

Pests For The Lord

I have a Mormon acquaintance who is somewhat aware of my apostacy. In fact, when I quit going to church, this certain person became the lords personal pest to get me back to church. I had to write several emails asking this person to PLEASE lay off. Even now, this indivitual still tries to drop subtle hints.

What makes it all the more interesting is that all the goodie Mormons who are trying to get me back to church have all had major rebellions in the past. Everyone seems to think that it is okay if THEY have their fun but not me. One such person did drugs, sex, drinking, smoking, you name it. Another person lived in a non-marital relationship for several years. And yet it is all of these that are playing their holier-than-thou card on me.

Even more ironic is the fact that I am still practically "temply worthy" by their standards, other than plain out not believing in Jesus Christ and having the occasional beer.

But anyway, this persons latest attempts at my reactivation include something like the following:

Each president of the church has done some special errand for the lord. God won't let them die until they do it. President Howard W. Hunter stressed temple attendance. When the people went to the temple more, he died. Ezra Taft Benson stressed reading the Book of Mormon more often. When the people did that, the lord took him.

This individual has actually repeated this to me a few different times and very much believes that it is proof that the church is true.

Of course, to a person like me, it only makes the church reek more and more of cult. Follow the prophet, follow the prophet, follow the prophet. Whatever the man says, you better damn well do it! Who needs a god when you can have a Mormon prophet who "knows the way"!

Temple Square Homeless

The last thing I would ever expect to find is a homeless person on the sidewalks just outside the gates of Temple Square. Or if there was a beggar, you would not expect them to be there very long.

According to scripture, which the Mormons profess to believe, if you reject a beggar, you are rejecting Christ. Oops! Yesterday I watched as dozens of Mormons walked right past a beggar who has been on that location begging for a long time. I would say for at least a year I have driven by Temple Square and seen this particular person.

Mormons walk past not giving her anything. I am sure some give her pocket change. But really, they are willing to give 10% to Jesus' church, but nothing to Jesus himself. I guess they justify it by rationalizing that they give to the fast offering fund. The problem with that is that the church decides who they will help. My opinion is that the Bishops Storehouse appears to be a charity but it really is PR, a tax write off, and missionary effort.

So I watch as this person holds a sign reading: "HOMELESS. Please Help." I watch as droves of Mormons ignore her as they walk past on their way to the temple. I see dozens of hypocrites who profess to love Jesus so much but then flat out reject him when they are put to the test.

Matt. 25: 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

There even used to be a sign posted right there, which must have been removed because... it's gone! The sign, posted by the church, said something to the effect of: "Please do not give any money to beggars." Wow. No wonder they took it down. Someone must have called them on their hypocrisy.

I would expect to see someone needing help and the good, Christ fearing Mormons would take that person in and help them get back on their feet. There should be no homeless on the sidewalks of Temple Square; not because they need to leave, but because the true church and it's believers would take them in and help them out.

But the church posts signs and the members walk past without even giving the beggar a glance. Something is terribly wrong with this picture.

James 2:15-16

15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

Just another evil apostate...

***UPDATE***

Due to a comment from Lisbun, stating in part, "you do not indicate yourself, whether or not you give to the "poor". ", I will respond by telling a parable.

There was an old, scruffy looking man. This man was very kind but because he stank and had an unattractive outward appearance, no one wanted to be around him. This man lived in a neighborhood densely populated by Mormons.

Just a few houses up the street, lived another man. This man was clean cut and shaven. This man used to be Mormon and no longer believed anything about the church. He was an apostate.

When the scruffy old man went to the local bishop and asked for help moving, the ward refused to help him. The evil apostate, living just a few houses away was the only person who ultimately helped his neighbor move. The apostate gave many, many hours of selfless service to his scruffy neighbor as good, faithful Mormons stood by watching. There was one other person who helped a little. This person was Catholic.

Who was this man's neighbor? The faithful Mormons who wouldn't lift a finger, or the evil apostate who was the only one who would help?

This is a true story and the evil apostate in this story is me. It's pretty sad when an evil apostate and a Catholic have to set the example for all the righteous Mormons.

Science vs. Religion

I have heard numerous quotes by LDS general authorities stating things to the effect of: "Science is bad and misleading. It confuses people."

If that is the case, why are they so proud that their words and talks are made available to the entire world via satellite and the internet, both of which are possible thanks to science?

Through my studies, I have seen some amazing evidence supporting evolution. Here's one of them. Almost all life on this planet, with a few very rare exceptions has a universal genetic code. Bear with me as I attempt to explain.

DNA is a molecule which is translated by mRNA and read by ribosomes to produce polypeptides which are folded to make proteins. A polypeptide is a long chain of amino acids which have been linked together.

DNA has four constituents, which I will call A, T, C, & G. A strand of DNA has millions of these four constituents arranged into long chains and the possibilities are endless. For example, a very short piece of DNA might look like this: AGACGTCGAGCGGTA

A sequence of any three is called a codon. Example: AGA. Ribosomes, molecules which read DNA and construct polypeptides, read each codon and connect the corresponding amino acid. For example, the codon AGA might mean amino acid #1 (there are about 21 different amino acids), CGT might mean amino acid #2, etc.

Scientists have actually been able to figure out the genetic code. They actually know which codon corresponds to which amino acid! But the most amazing thing is that all life, with the before mentioned very rare exceptions, has exactly the same code. So if you are a human, fly, bacteria, horse, dog, cat, or amoeba, the codon AGA codes for the same amino acid, CGT, etc.!

Did you know that insulin needed by diabetics is produced by bacteria? Of course, a normal person is able to produce their own insulin, but diabetics can't. Scientists have figured out how to isolate the gene that codes for insulin and insert it into the DNA of bacteria. Because the genetic code is universal, the bacteria will read that piece of HUMAN DNA and produce an insulin molecule! This is literally how diabetics get their insulin, from the nasty, filthy bacteria that the media tells us we are supposed to hate.

This is major evidence that supports evolution. The very fact that we share so much genetically in common with even the most primitive life, shows that we have a common ancestor. Did you know that there are some single celled organisms which actually have chloroplasts and the ability to carry out photosynthesis reactions? This shows us that not only are we related to bacteria, but even further back in time, we even share a common ancestor with plants!

The one answer that religion provides which science does not is, how did life begin? God put life on this planet, but that doesn't really answer the question. God is alive, right? So how did god get his life? So even though religion superficially answers that question, the bottom line is that no one really knows how life started.

Go back and read my lightbulb post and then tell me that "science is confusing and misleading." It is science that has ushered in the information age, not "the restoration". Science is the true religion because it actually helps us understand the world around us. Science has disproven religion time after time, and the example I have shared here is just one of them. Jesus has no place in the information age. Mankind will truly progress once he gets rid of the false belief that everyone sins and only Jesus will save him. Jesus is a myth. There is even evidence that he may never have even been a man. But I'll talk about that some other time.

Ever since I lost the "spirit", this continual stupor of thought just sucks!

Just another evil apostate...

I Never Said It Would Be Easy...

You have probably seen the quote that Mormons like to display, "I never said it would be easy; I only said it would be worth it." Actually, Jesus did say it was easy...

Matt. 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

That's a load of bullshit, at least if you are Mormon. I can't say as much for other religions because I have never lived and believed another religion. But I do know that being Mormon is anything but easy. There are demands upon demands. There are demands that are pre-requisites to other demands. There are demands that must be done again and again and again. Demands of your time, money, and talents. In the temple, one of the covenants you make is willingness to give anything and everything to the church if they demand it.

And they do.

Just another evil apostate...

Look, There's The Elders

I was at my sisters house one time helping her do some demolition. Another sister of mine was with me. While we were busy, who should come up knocking on the door but the Mormon missionaries AND a local ward member. We told them that we didn't live there, but they still wanted to discuss "churchy" stuff with us. I finally had to leave the room and go "work" on something else until they left.

I repeated to my sister several times, "Shoot me if I was ever that nerdy." I can't believe that at one point in my life I went on a mission and said those goofy, ridiculous things. Now, I can hardly stand to look at them. I don't hate them personally; they are honestly trying to do what they feel is right. Still, the message they carry is a huge fucking lie. I call them the "cult recruiters".

One time a pair of Elders knocked on my door, introduced themselves, and asked if we've ever heard of the church (in Utah, who hasn't?) I told them that we were members, (which is true; I haven't officially resigned yet) and that I haven't been to church for several years. They proceeded to tell me how important it all is and asked if there was anything they could do to get me to go back. I politely declined.

Another time I was approcated by a pair of sister missionaries on a college campus. I told these girls the same thing, I am an inactive member. I was a little more open with these girls and told them that I'd lost my faith. They were very nice and friendly, as all Mormon missionaries are, and they invited me to pray to gain my testimony back. They left me with a pamphlet which probably got fed to the shredder.

The thing about these "cult recruiters" is that they have this big, booming testimony of the church and yet they know so little about it. They think they are literally the personal representatives of Jesus Christ. They think they are saving peoples souls by manipulating them to join the church. I remember having investigators who wanted to join but the parents would not allow them to. I remember thinking that we should baptize them anyway, without parental concent, because the church is true and it needed to be done. Of course now, if I was the parent in that situation, I would be beyond pissed off if they did that to my child without my concent or knowledge.

The age of 8 is FAR too young for a person to make a lifetime committment to any religion, especially one as demanding as the LDS faith. Personally, I think it should be against the law for a minor to join any church, even with parental concent. After all, even if a parent concents for their minor child to smoke, it is still against the law until they turn 18. But then again, the constitution guarantees religious freedom for all. The problem, is that most people do not realize that religious freedom also includes non-believers. I have every much right to not believe as they do TO believe.

The Mormon missionaries have no idea what they are really doing and I wish they would just leave me and the world alone.

Another Holy Sabbath Day

It's Sunday again and I am going to break the holy hell out of the precious "Sabbath Day."

Acually, the original Sabbath Day was Saturday as the 7th Day Adventists believe. In Spanish, "Sabado" is Saturday. The term "Sabbath" has latin roots which mean Saturday instead of Sunday.

Whatever, if god is stupid enough that he can't even decide which day is his "holy day" then I guess I'm free to do whatever I want, whenever the hell I want.

Today I am going to work, make money, and not give a penny of it to the church.

I've actually been thinking a little... maybe I'll starting going to church every testimony meeting, just for pure entertainment. I'll watch the drones get all teary eyed and emotional as they know the church is true. They don't know shit. The church leaders know that when people start learning the real truth behind Mormonism, many of them leave. That is why they hide it and never talk about it. "We believe in being honest," MY ASS!!!

Just another evil apostate...

Am I Helping Anyone?

If anyone out there is reading this blog and my thoughts about Mormonism and Christianity, I invite you to email me or leave comments. If you're Mormon and want to defend your faith, that's just fine. If you are Mormon and are doubting your faith, let's talk. If you're never-mo or ex-mo, I welcome your thoughts as well.

This blog is more for me so I can organize my thoughts and get them out in the open. Upon my discovery that I no longer believe in the LDS religion, I have also come to realize that I am free to say what's on my mind. It's okay to doubt. If you're Mormon, it's not okay to doubt. It's not okay to ask difficult questions. The only thing it is okay to do, if you're Mormon, is pray, pay and obey. I just can't do that.

I can't pray to a god I can't see. There is no evidence at all that shows that prayer has any real effects anyway.

I can't pay tithing to such a deceptive church. Especially since they threaten me with hell and damnation if I do not. The LDS church, contrary to what they claim, rules with fear. They keep their members inline with fear of damnation.

I can't obey, just because they said so. If god comes flying down out of heaven and tells me his will, I will obey until I breathe my last breath. But until then, if god doesn't reveal himself to me in a way that is undisputable, I must assume I am meant to find my own path.

Seriously, if you are Mormon and are doubting, it's okay. You are doubting because your brain is working. Your leaders will tell you that you are doubing because you haven't prayed enough, payed enough, or obeyed enough. If you only follow out of sheer fear of fire and damnation, I can only assure you that your leaders are simply trying to scare you into paying and obeying. I have completely lost all that fear. I realize now that there is no heaven; there is no hell; there is no devil; there is no god. I am not entirely rejecting the possibility of a supreme being, but if there is such a being, he certainly is silent.

One would think that rejecting a belief in god would be difficult and depressing, but it is surprisingly liberating. I now have confidence that I am smart enough to make my own decisions. I don't have to consult a silent god who lives on a planet 100 million miles away. I don't have to seek his approval for anything. I am an adult and I am free to make my own choices and pay the natural consequences for them.

In no way, will I ever hold myself accountable to some bishop ever again. My personal life is absolutely none of his business. If god knows everything, and bishops have the power of discernment, why do they need to drag me into the bishop's office and ask me all sorts of personal questions?

I feel absolutely no shame or guilt. I am what I am and I am not ashamed of it. Words really can't express how free I feel. Maybe there are words and I am just bad at expressing them.
Who knows? But I do know that I have never been more happy or self confident than I have been since I left the church.

I write these words in the hope that they will inspire someone to rethink the religion they were born into and brainwashed with. There are other ways to happiness besides Mormonism. Much better ways! I just hope that if someone reading these words feels that something isn't quite right, then I'll offer you the red pill and we'll see just how far the rabbit hole goes.

Looking forward to any comments that anyone would care to leave.

Just another evil apostate...

Changing Mormon Stories

Changing Mormon Stories is a special edition of this blog where we will examine a current LDS teaching, scripture, or doctrine, and then we will compare it with the original teaching, scripture, or doctrine. According to the Mormon church, if any church changes it's beliefs over time, then it has apostatized. Let's point the finger of blame right back at them!

Changing Mormon Stories # 1 - Moroni vs. Nephi

Changing Mormon Stories # 2 - God's Physical Body

Changing Mormon Stories # 3 - The First Vision

Changing Mormon Stories # 4 - Changes to the Book of Mormon

Apostacy & the Churches Views On It

Who Was Jesus?

According to the Bible, Jesus Christ was the only begotten son of the father. But what exactly does that mean? Did anyone ever explain this? What does begotten mean? Does that mean that the rest of us were not begotten? Were we all adopted or something? How can he be our older brother if he was begotten and we weren't?

I believe that Mormons are the only religion that believe in a pre-existence, where everyone lived with god. We all came here to earth to gain a body, which is one of the steps necessary to become a god and create our own worlds...

Mormons also believe that Jesus was Jehovah, the god of the Old Testament. But if Jesus hadn't been born yet and hadn't received a body, how could he be a god already? Doh!

And what is up with Jesus being our OLDER brother? In the scriptures, it is always the older brother who is the fuck up. Cain and Abel. Jacob and Esau. Laman and Nephi.

In the great council before life on earth, that everyone attended, god proposed a plan whereby all man might return to live with god, if they chose to obey. Satan proposed an alternate plan that would not give man his free agency but everyone would be forced to obey. All who agreed to satan's plan were born Mormon. Tudum, tch!

Why did we need to "return" to god? If we were already there, why did god want to send us all away when he knew that the less noble would never return? And they say "god loves you".

So Jesus, our older brother who really wasn't our brother, became a god even before he was born. The guy doesn't even follow his own rules.

And then Jesus, who is god, is born of a virgin. Was Jesus his own father? Did "god" come down and have sex with Mary? If so, he must have been married to her, but when did that happen? The Bible says Mary was not wed. So god fornicated with Mary, the damn hypocrite! Jesus turns out to be the bastard child of god and Mary.

According to Mormons, Jesus created the earth, not god. So if he created the earth, it is also logical to assume that he wrote all the natural laws that govern it, such as gravity, etc. Why would Jesus then come to earth and break all those laws that he wrote... flying around, walking on water, bringing the dead back to life.

That leads me to another question. How could Jesus create a physical world when he didn't even have a body? Isn't the main reason for having a body to feel pain, sadness, sorrow, joy, etc. How could Jesus have these emotions if he was the bodyless god of the Old Testament? Ex: God is angry with the wicked Israelites when they build the golden calf.

If we were sent here to feel joy, then I must assume that we couldn't feel joy before. Why then did everyone shout for joy when the plan of salvation was proposed? I thought we can't feel emotions as a spirit. How can satan be hateful and angry if he doesn't have a body?

And how could anyone, even a god, create a planet as massive as earth in only one week?

If god has a physical body, how come his "children" are all spirits? Why is the "holy spirit" a member of the godhead if you have to have a body to be a god? Who is the spirit anyway? What did he ever do to get to be one of the top-three? He just kinda shows up out of nowhere.

If god is perfect and god created me, how come I am not perfect? If I am not perfect and no one is, why does god command everyone to be perfect? I guess god wants to damn us all to hell. But just remember, he loves you, more than you can comprehend.

As you can see, the more you think about the ridiculous Mormon gospel, the more confusing it is. But god's house is a house of order, not confusion. HUH?

I'm still waiting for the lightning bolt to strike me dead.

In the name of cheese and rice, amen.

*UPDATE*

I have no doubt that Jesus was a great man and a great teacher. His words are worthy of study and application. My only problem with Christianity is the way they have turned this great teacher into a god. He was not a god, nor a son of god. He was a man. He has my respect as a man, but not as a god.

Just another evil apostate...

Faith and Light Bulbs

We're going to talk about faith and the churches confusing teachings about it.

We've all sat in a Sunday school lesson and heard how the righteous take things on faith and the "wicked" always want signs. It's bad to seek a sign. Only after a trial of your faith do you get to see a sign.

But here's the problem. I never saw a sign even after years and years of faithful dedication to the church.

No one really ever gets to see any signs but we sure get to hear about a lot of them, especially during general conference! So I'm just sitting here wondering, why do they condemn sign seekers but then share story after story of signs and miracles?

How about instead of share a story of an amazing miracle from the pulpit, why don't they just do something? Why not bring up the guy in the wheelchair and heal him, right there for the entire world to see?

I mean, don't they have the priesthood, the amazing power of god? They are supposed to be able to do anything. Faith can move mountains, remember? We all know that if they really did have supernatural powers, they would be out doing stuff for the whole world to see all the damn time. But they NEVER do...

Why not?

There is no priesthood. All "priesthood holders" are just delusional about some magical mystical power that they supposedly have. But the problem is that they are just ordinary people with no special powers at all. If the Mormons truly had the power of god, trust me, the entire world would know about it!

If the system really worked as well as they claim it does, then the whole world would join immediately. Let me expound.

The entire world uses light bulbs. Why? Because they work. People use light bulbs the world over because they work. There is no debating, no bashing. People don't really care HOW they work, they just care that they DO work.

If Mormonism really worked, the whole world would use it, just like they do light bulbs, electricity, computers, cars, etc.

Did Thomas Edison have to send out missionaries to convert people to "Light Bulb ism"? Thomas Edison came along far after Joseph Smith and converted the entire world in a very short time. And guess what? No one speaks evil of him. His name is remembered with reverence. If he had been a fraud, it would have been obvious from the very beginning.

Does "Light Bulb ism" require faith? No, the light bulbs work for you no matter what your belief. They work just the same for everyone black, white, or anything in between. What would have happened if Thomas Edison had invented a faith-based light bulb? The world would still be in the dark! He would have been called a fraud and no one would remember him.

Joseph Smith invented a faith based light bulb, so to speak. But if Mormonism truly worked as well as a light bulb, the entire world would be converted in a few years and there would be no need for missionaries because everyone would already be Mormon. Just imagine if paying tithing really and truly did bring back a literal 100X increase. I would write that tithing check with a HUGE smile on my face. But the reality is that tithing does nothing. Somehow, the LDS church has people convinced that their faith-based light bulb really does work. People are running around in the dark all the while praising Joseph Smith for his fraudulent light bulb that really does nothing for them.

If Mormonism really was true, it would work just like a light bulb and the entire world would be converted in a very short time. But Mormonism is based on lies, deceptions, secrets, and fraud. That's why it will never fill the whole world. Thomas Edison already did that.

Just another evil apostate...

Prophets and Apostles... What A Bunch Of Clowns!

So Henry B. Eyring is the new second councilor in the first presidency. I bet Boyd K. Packer is PISSED OFF! Unfortunately for Boyd, I doubt if he will ever get promoted again, seeing as how he is a bigot and hates everyone who is not straight, white, male, and Mormon. Even the first presidency is smart enough to know that he shouldn't be given any more power. I would give anything to see Packer in his private moments; he probably HATES Eyring!

Now, Henry B. Eyring is still a generally new apostle; he is senior over only Uchtdorf and Bednar. Then all of a sudden he gets a whopping promotion! Hmm, how much ass did he have to kiss? I know what it is... his emotional outbursts. They guy is a master at tears-on-demand. But what I really think it is, is the fact that the first presidency and the quorum of the twelve are all a bunch of SENILE OLD FUCKING FARTS! They are trying to get younger faces in the top seats.

Let's talk a little bit about prophets and apostles while we're on the subject. The Book of Mormon prophets were young and strong. Many of them were not only spiritual leaders, but men of great position in the government and military. They had all the power! Mormon was made a prophet and a general when he was only 10 years old. Prophets now days have to be at least 90.

Who exactly is the Mormon god? It is the current prophet. Let me explain...

If the prophet is the mouthpiece and voice for god, then anything the prophet says is god's will. So how do we know then the guy is speaking for the lord or when he is speaking for himself? We don't!!! Therefore, EVERYTHING he says is directly from god. Therefore he is god. In what other culture can someone speak a word and have millions of people blindly obey without question? I guess in a dictatorship!

But these men don't speak with god. Not one of them has ever admitted that he has. In fact, they get pretty pissed off when someone asks them if they have.

Aren't prophets supposed to prophesy? What prophesy has Hinckley ever given let alone one that came true?

Aren't prophets supposed to warn the people of danger and give them a chance to repent? Why didn't Hinckley predict the Tsunami and Hurricane Katrina which destroyed New Orleans?

Other than say feel-good-words from the pulpit, what has Hinckley ever done to show that he is even 1% prophet? Nothing. Come on people; correct me if I am wrong.

Aren't prophets supposed to preform miracles for everyone to see? Jesus did. Where are they?

If a tiny bit of faith can move a mountain, why can't the most faithful priesthood holder even move a pebble?

What is a seer? Someone who can see past, present, and future. I have never seen any seer-like qualities of anyone in the church leadership.

Revelator... one who predicts the future. Joseph Smith incorrectly predicted the return of Jesus Christ! Ever since then, your revelators have revealed NOTHING, let alone something that actually came true!

Bottom line is that the church hierarchy is full of business men. They are in the business of selling salvation. What is the cost? You have to: 1) pay them 10% of your income *, 2) work for free for them, 3) constantly get told how unworthy and unrighteous you are, 4) fulfill 1001 demands, and 5) never question them. These guys have it made!!!

* I wonder how long it will be before they receive a revelation giving the lord a raise. When will tithing become 20%? Then 30%?

I guess that's all for now. Next time I am going to discuss faith and priesthood.

Just another evil apostate...

Let's Talk About The Forbidden...

Remember that post I wrote talking about the vicious Mormon cycle? Everybody really isn't that happy, but they all pretend to be? The temple is kind of like that.

I am sure that 99% of people who go through the temple for the first time come out going, "What the hell?" Of course, they have always been taught that the temple is a spiritual place and great things about god are taught there. So they always return to testimony meeting and report about how wonderful and spiritual it was, when in fact, it was wierd, confusing, and downright creepy.

Before the ceremony, you put on all white clothes. The temple "outfit" is with you in a small pillow case type thing. Everyone meets in a chapel and waits for the next session to begin. As you leave the dressing room, you pass through a small cubical where you meet a man inside. This man assigns you a new "name". This name is one of the passwords as you will learn later. Your salvation is at serious risk if you ever divulge this name to ANYONE. (Now come on! God will damn me to hell forever just for telling someone my name?!?! Get serious!) You will use this name at the end of the ceremony. As you go through the ceremony, you are repeating this name to yourself again and again so you won't forget it (therefore you can't really concentrate on what is going on around you).

Everyone is dressed exactly the same. As the ceremony progresses, your wardrobe gets changed around. There is a lot of standing and sitting, raising your right arm to the square, and bowing your head and saying, "Yes".

There is one part where Satan (Yes, Satan is in the temple. Ironic, huh?) turns directly to the audience and states, "If they do not live up to every covenant they make in this temple this day, they will be in MY power!" That is the ultimate fear tactic. If it wasn't for that statement, I probably would have left the church much sooner.

Then, of course, is the passwords, handshakes, and tokens. The ceremony presents several of each as it progresses. Each token (hand gesture) has a secret name (password) and it is associated with a handshake. I never really did get all that stuff straight. Why do you need a handshake, gesture, and password? It never made any sense to me. Each person swears that they will never reveal any of the secrets.

Now don't you find it just ironic as hell that the Book of Mormon condemns secret oaths and covenants, calling them wicked and abominations? The new temple ceremony referrs to them as "sacred" but the pre-1990 ceremony actually called them secret.

Hel 6: 25-26

25 Now behold, it is these secret oaths and covenants which Alma commanded his son should not go forth unto the world, lest they should be a means of bringing down the people unto destruction.

26 Now behold, those secret oaths and covenants did not come forth unto Gadianton from the records which were delivered unto Helaman; but behold, they were put into the heart of Gadianton by that same being who did entice our first parents to partake of the forbidden fruit— (Did satan inspire the temple ceremony? The BoM says so.)

Alma 37: 27, 29

27 And now, my son, I command you that ye retain all their oaths, and their covenants, and their agreements in their secret abominations; yea, and all their signs and their wonders ye shall keep from this people, that they know them not, lest peradventure they should fall into darkness also and be destroyed.


29 Therefore ye shall keep these secret plans of their oaths and their covenants from this people, and only their wickedness and their murders and their abominations shall ye make known unto them; and ye shall teach them to abhor such wickedness and abominations and murders; and ye shall also teach them that these people were destroyed on account of their wickedness and abominations and their murders. (Bold added for emphasis)

There you have it. The Book of Mormon strongly condemns secret oaths, covenants, and signs and yet all of these things are done in the temple. Notice how the last verse above even referrs to murders? It wasn't that long ago that death penalties were included in the temple ceremony, where people covenanted with their lives that they would not tell any of the temple secrets. Each token, sign, and password also had a penalty associated with it, and it was graphic and violent.

So anyway, here you are sitting in a group of people dressed all exactly alike. Men sit together and women sit together (why do they separate men from women?) You are engaged in standing, sitting, switching your stylish temple clothes around, learning signs, tokens, and passwords, raising your right arm to the square, bowing your head and saying "yes" when prompted.

It is all extremely cultish and even as a believer, I used to get a creepy feeling in the temple, especially the veil room. The veil room has many curtains hanging around and they all have the square and compass markings in them (like in the garments). They are large and open, big enough to pass your hands through (which you do). One by one, people go up to the veil and "converse with the lord" exchanging passwords and handshakes. Upon completion, you are admitted through the veil and into the celestial room where you wait for your companions (if any) to get through and join you.

In this room, people are free to quietly sit, talk, pray, or whatever. Whenever you're done, you make your way back to the dressing room and change. You return your temple clothes (if you rented them. I wonder what Jesus would have to say about money being exchanged in the temple, which it most surely is).

I would go into more detail about the signs, tokens and such, but they are available in other places. The purpose of this post is not to expose the secrets of the temple, but rather to show how 1) it is extremely cultish in nature, 2) the very things that go on in the temple are strongly condemned in the Mormons own scriptures, and 3) how everyone who goes through comes out claiming it was beautiful and wonderful, when in fact it was creepy, wierd, and frightening.

Again, as a former believer, attending the temple is one less thing to take up all my spare time. I could seriously think of a million and one things I would rather do than go to the temple. Add temple attendance to the list of Mormon demands. You can't be saved if you don't go through the temple. You can't go to the temple if you don't pay your tithing. The list of Mormon demands is virtually endless. Thank the good Mormon god I am OUT!

Sharing the Gospel

Members of the LDS church are under tremendous pressure to "share the gospel" with everyone they know. They are taught that if they do not, the sins of that person will be upon their shoulders and they will go to hell even if they lived an otherwise worthy Mormon life. When the church is not preaching about tithing or home teaching, they are pumping members up to go out and recruit. "Every member a missionary," is a phrase often heard.

As I was semi-listening to General Conference this weekend, once again, I heard a talk about missionary work. I had never thought of it before, but I realized that this is another time consuming burden taken off of me that I no longer have to worry about.

I mean come on, does ANYBODY like having religious fanatics trying to convince them to change religions? Once in a while, maybe, if they are not already established into a religion. Most people are happy with their beliefs and don't like it when their holier-than-thou neighbor tries to convert them.

Why does it matter so much that I try to convince everyone to believe what I believe? What supreme authority stated that my beliefs are correct so therefore everyone else needs to believe them too?

The bottom line is this. I believe what I believe and I let others believe what they want to believe. Trying to convert people to the Mormon gospel is just another burden that I no longer have to be worried about. The idea that I will be responsible for other peoples actions is completely absurd.

Changing Mormon Stories #2

As previously mentioned, Changing Mormon Stories is a special edition of this blog where I will compare a current LDS belief, doctrine, or scripture and compare it with the original belief, doctrine, or scripture. According to the LDS church, if any religion changes it's beliefs over time, then it has apostatized and is no longer true. Let's point the finger of blame right back at them!

This topic is one of the more damning to the church because it deals with the very nature of god himself!

Let's go to the current version of the Doctrine & Covenants, Section 130, Verse 22...

22 The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us.

According to the header of this section, this was given by revelation to Joseph Smith on April 2, 1843. If that really was the case, why was it the official belief of the church for 86 years that god is a spirit?

Now I can boldly say that it was their official belief because it was puplished in the D&C from 1835 to 1921. All versions of the D&C published between 1835 and 1921 included a collection of Joseph Smith's writings known as the Lectures on Faith. They have now been removed and forgotten about. It is in these writings that Joseph Smith himself taught that god is only a spirit being.

In the Fifth Lecture, starting on page 52 of the 1835 D&C, the following was said:

"We shall, in this lecture speak of the Godhead, we mean the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. There are two personages who constitute the great, matchless, governing and supreme power over all things - by whom all things were created and made, that are created and made, whether visible or invisible; whether in heaven, on earth, or in the earth, under the earth, or throughout the immensity of space - They are the Father and the Son... The Father being a personage of spirit, glory and power: possessing all perfection and fulness: The Son, who was in the bosom of the Father, a personage of tabernacle, made, or fashioned like unto man, or being in the form and likeness of man, or, rather, man was formed after his likeness, and in his image..." (bold added for emphasis)



I have provided scans of pages 52 and 53 of the Fifth Lecture, directly from an 1835 D&C. See the proof for yourself...

It is very clear that god is a spirit and man was made after the image of Jesus, not god, according to Joseph Smith.

In 1921 The Lectures on Faith were removed from the D&C and were replaced by section 130 of the D&C which officially changed the Mormons scripture and doctrine from god being a spirit to god having a body of flesh and bone.

So which is it, LDS church? Once again, you are changing what your great founder and leader taught. The LDS church is guilty of apostacy and if it ever was true, it certainly isn't now! If Joseph Smith was inspired directly by god, why do you feel the need to hide his original teachings and change them around? If Joseph Smith supposedly saw god and Jesus, don't you think he would have stuck to one description of god? Don't you think the church would too?

Please keep in mind that this was originally published in 1835 and the section 130 "revelation" was supposedly received in 1843. That is a difference of 8 years, with the god-spirit doctrine being taught first. If the section 130 revelation really was received in 1843, how come it wasn't included in the D&C until 1921?

Once again, the church is calling Joseph Smith a liar!

Don't believe me? You can go to any Deseret Book bookstore and buy a copy of the Lectures on Faith. Go there and read the fifth lecture. If the church sells it, then it can't possibly be a lie made up by the devil and all his evil apostates!