Thursday, December 22, 2011

Atheism: A Question of Understanding, Part 2

Ok, here is the second part of this guys arguments for the existence of Allah. The main argument in this section is that failure to understand gods ways do not negate his existence. My comments are in italics. I have left a lot out because it is just rambling and makes no sense at all. Here we go:

Most Atheist arguments challenge the compatibility of an all-loving God with the perceived injustices of life.

No they don't. I haven't seen one single atheist blog that says "I stopped believing because nothing was going right for me." Every atheist I have ever read or spoken to says something to the effect of "I turned on my brain and religion dissolved."

The fact that many of mankind fail to make sense of certain aspects of this life should not dissuade from belief in God... By analogy, the fact that a person does not like the way the boss does things at work, and fails to understand the decisions he makes, does not negate his existence. Rather, each person’s duty is to fulfill a job description in order to be paid and promoted. Similarly, failure to grasp or approve of the way God orders creation does not negate His existence. Rather, humankind should recognize with humility that, unlike the workplace boss, who may be wrong, God by definition is of absolute perfection, always right and never wrong.

That's a poor analogy. The existence of your boss is not in question. No one has ever tried to claim that their boss doesn't exist because they don't like his decisions. The existence of your god is in question. The reason why is because it is always a human being who is trying to tell you what god's will is. And most of the time they want your money. The moment god shows up and tells me what to do, I will be the first to admit I was wrong. But as long as human beings are all shouting out what gods will is, I'm just going to laugh at them.

Similarly, a person cannot be faulted for expecting the disbelieving tyrants and oppressors to have all the enjoyments of this world, but none of the hereafter. Some of the known inmates of Hell spring to mind. Pharaoh, for example, lived a life of posh magnificence to the point that he proclaimed himself to be the supreme god. Most likely opinions changed when he broke wind.

It's easy for you to discredit Pharaoh because you are not an ancient Egyptian. If if you were, you would be writing this very article in favor of him. Most people from America are Christian. Most people from China are Buddhist. Most people from Japan believe in Taoism. Most people from the Middle East are Muslim. The area of the world you are from will greatly influence which religion you believe in. BTW, if you were ancient Egyptian, one of your gods would have been Osiris, who shares many characteristics with Jesus and about a dozen other godly figures throughout history.

Most people have had the experience of ending a great day in a bad mood due to some sour event at the conclusion of events. Nobody values a fine meal that ends in divorce, a romantic interlude rewarded with AIDS, or a night of revelry capped off by a brutal mugging or crippling car crash. How good could it have been? Similarly, there is no joy in this life, no matter how great the ecstasy or how long the duration, which is not instantly erased from memory by a 100% full body burn. One side of one hand represents 1% of the total body surface area of a human being, making a kitchen burn of a fraction of a fingertip count for less than a thousandth of the total body surface area. Nonetheless, who doesn’t forget absolutely every little, every big, everything during that moment of painful thermal affliction? The agony of a whole-body burn, especially if there is no relief -- no jumping back, no pulling away -- is beyond the capacity of human imagination. The few who have survived such burns agree. Not only does the torture of a total burn exceed the boundaries of human imagination, but the agony of the experience surpasses the limits of language. The horror can neither be adequately conveyed by the unfortunate of experience, nor fully understood by those blessed to have escaped initiation. Certainly one looooooong, eternal, full-body bath in fire can be expected to erase any pleasant memories of the past, consistent with the conclusion that “…the life of this world as compared with the Hereafter is but a brief passing enjoyment.” (Quran 13:26)

So let me get this straight... you believe in Allah because he will burn your body forever if you don't. This god has to scare you into submission with threats of agonizing torture. As I stated before, this is not a god worthy of any praise; this is a tyrant. This is a figure to be avoided. I hope parents in Muslim homes do not emulate this god and burn their disobedient children. This is child abuse, and isn't child abuse a sin? How can you claim this god is perfect and never wrong when he tortures and blackmails his children? I spit in the face of that god. I defy him. I loath him. I will NEVER worship him!

two elements of guiding consciousness deserve consideration, the first being that deep down all people have an innate knowledge of the presence of the Creator. Humankind may intellectualize this awareness away in search of the conveniences and pleasures of this world, but deep down, all mankind know the truth. What is more, God knows that we know, and He alone can calculate the level of individual rebellion and/or submission to Him.

"...all people have an innate knowledge of the creator." Oh really? Then why are there ten million different religions? If this claim was true, then there would only be one world religion. Your "god" created the "pleasures of the world". What is wrong with pursuing them? I would argue the opposite. All men, deep down, know that their superstitions are nothing but bullshit.

The second element of dawning spiritual awareness is simply to understand that there is seldom a free lunch. Rarely does anybody get something for nothing. Should a man work for a boss whom he does not understand or with whom he does not agree, in the end he still has to do his job in order to get paid. Nobody goes to work (for long, anyway) and does nothing more than saying, “I’m at work,” expecting a paycheck to follow based on nothing more than unproductive attendance. Similarly, humankind must satisfy a duty of servitude and worship to God if hoping to receive His reward. After all, that is not only the purpose of life, it is our job description.

Again, a poor analogy. Show me the "job description" in a place rather than an ancient book written by poorly educated idiots who thought the world was flat and that the sun revolved around the earth. You can't compare a duty to god to a job because a source of income is necessary to survive. Your belief that servitude to god is necessary is just that: your belief. Just because you believe it, doesn't make it true. Besides, if the only reason you believe is to avoid hell and gain an eternal reward, then you are pathetic. You are motivated by greed and fear.

“And I have not created... men, except that they should serve (worship) Me.” (Quran 51:56)

Ok, the Quran says god says that man should worship him. Big deal. A Marvel comic book says that Superman "can leap tall buildings in a single bound." Just because it says it, doesn't make it the truth. You will never convince an atheist to believe by quoting scripture because atheists correctly realize that words are just words. Try this: replace all references to "Allah" with "Superman" and see if it doesn't just sound ridiculous.

Many people question the purpose of life, but the position of the faithful of many religions is exactly that stated above – mankind exists for no other reason than to serve and worship God. The proposal is that each and every element of creation exists to either support or test mankind in the fulfillment of that duty. Unlike worldly employment, a person can duck his or her responsibilities to God and be granted a grace period. However, at the end of this probationary period called life, accounts become due and payable, and such is certainly not the best time to find one’s account ‘in the red.’

That's an opinion. That would be a great argument... if god was real. But since he's not real, it's just rambling. I really haven't read anything in this article that even remotely encourages me to believe. It's all just a bunch of doctrine and more superstition. If god has a purpose for me, I will gladly fulfill it as soon as HE tells me; not some religious whacko who wants my money and unconditional servitude, but HIM.

Again, those who doubt that which cannot be directly experienced may find excuse for denial of the soul, but they will most likely find themselves to have scant company.

Finally, this author admits that his beliefs "cannot be directly experienced". And since that is the case, it all exists in your head. Isn't that a form of dimensia? That is more reason for me to NOT believe. I choose to believe in reality. I choose to believe in well, reality. The Quran says this... the Bible says that... The Book of Mormon says...

Isn't it amazing how each religion defends and excuses their holy book while discrediting all the others? The Bible says Jesus is the son of god and since you love to quote scripture to convince me to believe in your Allah, how come you won't take other scripture seriously? Why do you choose the Quran over the Bible or the Book of Mormon? If I start quoting Book of Mormon passages, are you going to be suddenly convinced that you're wrong? No, so why do you think quoting the Quran is going to convince me? I'll tell you why... because most likely you were born and raised in Islam and you were indoctrinated from birth that your religion is right and all others are wrong. Mormons are that way. Catholics are that way. Baptists are that way. Buddhists are that way. Muslims are that way. Everyone is wrong but you... how convenient.

If anything, this idiot has given me MORE reason to NOT believe.

So that no one can accuse me of quoting out of context, I have provided a link to where you can view this arcticle in it's entirety along with many others. Their evidence for Islam section looks interesting. I bet their "evidence" is miraculous healings, prophesies of Muhammad that came true, and other nonsense that all religious use to prove themselves.

Also, have you ever noticed that ALL Muslims have the name Muhammad? What if everyone in America named their kid Jesus? Shit people, can't you think of something else to name your kids? "I have three sons: Muhammad, Muhammad, and Muhammad." I wonder why it's okay to name all your children after Muhammad but when a foreign school teacher names a teddy bear Muhammad, you all want her executed!

Your religion is just as dumb, if not moreso, than Christianity. Let me guess... if you knew who I was you would come and kill me for daring to insult your precious Allah. Well, that's just more proof that you are nothing but deluded wack jobs!


Natasha Gow said...

Well I re visited and was well rewarded. Part of me thinks that I'd be flattered if any religious person took that much of an interest to make me their crusade. Then I think about the futility of it all, they claim we are blind to the truth of their God, we claim they are blind to the truth of evidence and reason. Its not a very rewarding battle.

Mormon411 said...

Well said, Natasha. I know that they are genuinely concerned for my well being and I can't be too upset with them for that.

Sometimes the debate does seem to be going nowhere. I know I'll never be able to convince everyone that god is myth, but if I help just one or two people gain their mental freedom, then it has all been worth it.

BTW, I love the tinfoil mask!